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How To Add a Key Change? #802478 03/03/24 12:25 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 92 Cary, NC K King Conga OP Enthusiast
OP King Conga Enthusiast K Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 92 Cary, NC	I'm trying to change from F to C about 40 bars into this chart, but nothing I'm trying seems to show. HEP ME! i7-12650H CPU, 32Gig RAM/Win 11 Pro. PreSonus 1824C, Native Instr S88 Mk1, ATOM SQ, PreSonus Sphere, Sonar Platinum, SampleTank4, BIAB 2023.

Re: How To Add a Key Change? King Conga #802486 03/03/24 01:13 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,445 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,445 Wauconda	Have you tried F5 where there is an option to change to any Key at a specific bar? F to C is pretty subtle. However, I do believe this change will be seen in the Notation Window only. BIAB will not transpose the chords if that is what you are trying to do? Last edited by DrDan; 03/03/24 01:24 PM. Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: How To Add a Key Change? King Conga #802520 03/03/24 06:27 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,344 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,344 Middlesex, NC	I've done key changes by simply using the chords in the new key. It has always worked well for me. This is one such example. Nothing fancy, just started entering the chords for the modulation https://www.soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=10762744 You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: How To Add a Key Change? Guitarhacker #802521 03/03/24 06:43 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,941 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,941 Hamlin NY	I do the same as Herb. I just posted a selfie and all of the responses were get well soon! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: How To Add a Key Change? Guitarhacker #802523 03/03/24 07:23 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,445 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,445 Wauconda	Quote I've done key changes by simply using the chords in the new key. It has always worked well for me. OK, that makes three of us, but what does this tell us about BIAB. The selection of riffs to play over our chords is based on on the specific chord notes and not on the Key? The key signature we assign appears to only effect the notation in the staff? I was always a bit suspious about this. Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: How To Add a Key Change? King Conga #802524 03/03/24 07:29 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,928 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,928 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	We don’t know the rules behind it, but we know that BIAB uses the key signature to make some decisions. A note or chord may have an odd enharmonic spelling, and that’s just what we can demonstrate. I recommend you change the key signature. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: How To Add a Key Change? Matt Finley #802526 03/03/24 08:01 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,445 Wauconda	Originally Posted by Matt Finley We don’t know the rules behind it, but we know that BIAB uses the key signature to make some decisions. A note or chord may have an odd enharmonic spelling, and that’s just what we can demonstrate. I recommend you change the key signature. But if you use the F5 to change key signature in a middle of the song it only effects the annotation, it does not change the chords. And you can not use the transposition in the GUI for only a part of the chart. I agree "we don't know the rules". which is why I have never been comfortable with doing this in BIAB. Dan, BIAB2024, SoundCloud Win11, i7(12thGen), 32GB, 1TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD), 2TB Libraries, 1 TB(WD-Black), 2TB SSD(M.2 NVMe SSD)Data, Motu Audio Express, Keystation 61, SL88 Studio, Reaper

Re: How To Add a Key Change? King Conga #802567 03/04/24 07:19 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,928 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,928 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	You could be right. We just don't know whether BIAB uses a key change like it uses the original key. I use key changes under the hope that the algorithms do react to them, and I prefer the clearer notation. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: How To Add a Key Change? King Conga #802571 03/04/24 07:56 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,344 Middlesex, NC	one of the things I have noticed only a few times when I simply start adding the new chords is that the melody and solo tracks can tend follow the scale of the original key. This results in notes in the melody or solo that can be "out of tune" with the song in the modulated key. It doesn't seem to affect the chords themselves but it can affect the notes played by the solo instrument tracks. Not in every place, but the occasional outlier. For me, this is not a big deal. I can either edit it out or use melodyne to shift it half a step to put it in tune with the chord and new key. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

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